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Post discussions get into the bare bones of the movie, it will discuss the ENTIRE film so it will be full of spoilers, you have been warned.

The Witch : Post Discussion

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Please note that this post discussion is a post discussion! Therefore it’s full of spoilers and discloses information about the ENTIRE film, including the beginning middle and yes the ending, and also these films…damn there is no other films like it..

So if you’ve not seen The Witch (2015) or any of the above, it’s probably better not to read on, instead please check out my spoiler free review here.

THE FILM
There’s something captivating in the demise of this pious family. Since the release of the Witch in 2015 it’s been hard for audiences to fathom what is going on in this occult horror, the curiosity has helped the $1 million gross over $37 million at the box office. Often being found to be boring and diving audiences as it strays away from loud noises, false jump scares and screaming teens flashing a bit of boob, it’s not even all the subtle in it’s approach, there are torturous scenes and graphic violence throughout but as the perceptions of witchcraft are subdued to a mysticism they aren’t perceived as being scary by modern and young audiences. The horror isn’t just aimed at Christians although the Satanic backing does raise many eyebrows and questions, but the ingenious aspect is that it argues on both sides of the religious coin. Continue reading The Witch : Post Discussion

POST DISCUSSION : Creep (2014)

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This film just didn’t gel with me, I dunno I like a lot of movies and generally look for the good points, with Creep that happens to be the concept, it’s a good concept, nothing original but we love a great Craigslist horror right!? We love them because they are scary and we all love auctions and the creepy shit that goes on with dodgy listings on a site that you can basically organise an orgy on. Out of all of the “stories” I’ve heard on youtube, reddit etc I can’t say this scenario is one of the better ones. Continue reading POST DISCUSSION : Creep (2014)

Post Discussion – Pressure (2015)

Please note that this post discussion is a post discussion! Therefore it’s full of spoilers and discloses information about the ENTIRE film, including the beginning middle and yes the ending, and also these films…Black Sea (2014) , Deep Star Six (1989) Leviathan (1998) , The Abyss (1989), Lifepod (1993)

So if you’ve not seen Pressure (2015) or any of the above, it’s probably better not to read on, instead please check out my spoiler free review here.

pressureThis film kind of plays in a subdued manner; it’s really four men trapped in a lifeboat situation but in contrast the film is sometimes very bloody and gut wrenching. There are some really vivid scenes, my favourite although one which is depicts a personal phobia of mine;  is when the young boy Jones; has to have this tooth operated on using a large imposing knife. When the pod first drops to the bottom of the ocean, the lad starts screaming and thrashing about,  the Neil Tennant lookalike Engel (Danny Huston) gets one of the other crew members to hold the boy’s mouth open while he shoves the blade in and does a little back street dentistry. Continue reading Post Discussion – Pressure (2015)

Post Discussion – The Visit (2014)

Please note this post discussion is a post discussion, therefore it’s full of spoilers it discloses information about the ENTIRE film (yes including the ending) and these following movies,..The Taking of Debroah Logan (2014) , The Happening (2008), 

So if you’ve not seen them it’s probably better not to read on..

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While isn’t one of the best found footage movies to date. It is definitely entertaining, coming from a director who has had numerous cinema failures in the last few years; M Night has managed to pull back some credibility with this different stance on the found footage genre.

The movie doesn’t commit too many found footage movies sins, please see my list of what to and what not to expect in any found footage movies here. It does manage to create right atmosphere and has many plausible seems wear cameras could be used.

The visitWell he has managed to make a good movie he hasn’t made a brilliant movie but I have to give me credit for not only working outside of his normal comfort zone by making a found footage movie and working with two very young actors but at the same time it has to be noted that these are the cheapest movies to make at the moment, so was this a money saving exercise in order.

Generally you find with M Night movies there is a very clear beginning middle and end which doesn’t leave much room for prequel sequel everything is quiet study as standalone movie. Continue reading Post Discussion – The Visit (2014)

POST DISCUSSION – Inside Llewyn Davis (2013)

Please note this post discussion is a post discussion, therefore it’s full of spoilers it discloses information about the ENTIRE film (yes including the ending) and these following movies,Groundhog day (1993), Devil (2010).

So if you’ve not seen them it’s probably better not to read on..

The Coen’s deliver another poetic surreal drama in the guise of the melancholy comedy musical drama that is the life of Llewyn Davis, or at least a pivotal few days…

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WHAT IS INSIDE LLEWYN?

It’s the obvious question right? No it isn’t but it makes for good movie chitchat. It’s just a title right, but any title about the forlorn Llewyn could have been chosen. So what does this film reveal about what is really inside Llewyn davis?!  To be honest I don’t think that i have ever worked it out. Personally I see the film as a justification of the magic of the entire Greenwich Village folk seen as being “born” out of Llewyn. Bare with me,  this is a far out idea. I mentioned it slightly in my review,  but it seems like the pathetic llewyn is suffering as a mother would in childbirth a recurring theme in the movie, and fun as lot at the end Bob Dylan appears then he gets his final beatdown in the alleyway by the faceless hulk. Boom!! Folk Scene is here! So the birth of the folk scene was a baby inside Llewyn..  Yeah I told you the idea was far out.

SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CAT /CATS

Personally I can’t stand cats and they contributed to the only cringe worthy scenes in the film. But was the presence of the cat all that significant or just a Coen red herring?

The cat escapes at the beginning, Llewyn’s luck starts to change and go downhill not that he was flying high to start with. He ends up leaving the apartment and starts his journey chasing the cat. It’s alike the chasing of the white rabbit,  down the hole Llewyn goes..

While having a caustic discussion with his ex he spots a cat, runs out and chases it, again getting out of his rut and back to his destiny.

Later on, it’s discovered that the cat is not the cat! How can the cat not be the cat!? Holy shit. Llewyn had gone down the wrong path, picked up the wrong cat,  where is the real cat?!  Whose cat had he stolen?? This scene was particularly funny and bizarre as Llewyn decides to kick off against an overly nice couple who ‘s couch he started out on, and in the melodramatics and whaling that concur it’s discovered that the kitty has the wrong tackle, oh shit not again dude.

Later on Llewyn is travelling with another cat? This one mimics his every move and is one of the best scenes in the film. I doubt it was planned but it’s simply magic, he ends up leaving the cat in the car, hitching a ride. While driving his ride, he almost hits another cat or the same cat?  What’s going on?! This film has way too much pussy.

Llewyn assumes it’s the list cat and carries on. When he returns to his friends apartment their cat has returned and all is well. Them the movie starts to repeat itself….  But in this time around Llewyn stops the cat from escaping. And despite everything cycling around again… There is no destiny run from Llewyn.He doesn’t have a great adventure he just gets his ass slapped down.

It’s probably a red herring but… It’s an interesting one.

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CURSED BY THE DEVIL?

Is Llewyn cursed?! It’s a little something that crops up in the movie that’s simply too hard to ignore.

Let’s play out this scenario, LLewyn is going through a rough time, more so than any mortal man. Now it’s not a black cat that has crossed his path but at first I thought the cat had carried away his luck when it darts out the door. Then John Goodman turns up in the guise of a eccentric jazz musician called Ronald Turner! He’s so very unusual and does threaten the young folk singer with a curse of bad luck. From that point on you can’t help wondering if the curse worked or if Goodman is actually the Devil! It’s a long shot but I’m just chucking it out there, he’s the most useless devil if he is one as he’s a fucking junkie who nearly OD’s..  But we can’t forget that the devil got caught stealing in Devil (2010). I quite like that Llewyn leaves him and the cat in the car when he legs it for his freedom.

REPEATED HISTORY

But why does history start repeating!? Or does it??

The first time around we see the beating in the alleyway, cut scene llewyn wakes up and his life is a mystery then when we see the beatdown the second time around there are differences, the music being the significant one. But the scene continues. The first time i saw it I thought the beatdown guy was John Goodman at first. The cut scene is the most important part. it’s not a continuation. The coens don’t do anything by mistake and are very clever into grabbing your attention and hurling it around. Here’s what I think!

Ignoring the beginning.. Llewyn wakes up and then everything else runs up to that point where he gets the beatdown in the alley way, the beginning is merely a  transition but not in a coherent theme, it’s a taste of whats to come, a very dramatic one, showing you to look out for this point. It’s an interesting way to introduce a character, check out this guy getting his ass whopped. then look at him being a  loser and feel sorry for him, so why was he getting beat up he’s not that bad, he doesn’t deserve that.. then wham he’s a total tosser to the folk singer doing exactly the same thing as him, okay he’s had a bad week and was drunk but no call for that behavior man. and boom! payback and the end to a beautiful week.  One other clue is the conversation about when llewyn is told he has a space at Papi’s to play a gig, he says he was there less than a month ago, if it is a loop then he would have been there less than a week ago.

I don’t think it’s a case of Groundhog day (1993) just some interesting cut work, for what reason I can’t work out.

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DEATH

Is Llewyn dead? I love dead characters so i try and play it all in, but I don’t think Llewyn died in the alleyway after his injuries although it could play into the the whole theme of redemption, after all he does seem to be living through, uncovering and facing all of his mistakes both past and present. I don’t think he passed away and this is some sort of redemption, I can see why some people have jumped to that conclusion, as there is a chance of him learning from mistakes and getting things right. You could also class it all as a vivid dream.

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SEQUEL

I dont see the film as carrying on in anyway, the luckless Llewyn has run his course and done his duty, I suppose future stories could illustrate him finding out more about being a father and take that route of him trying to do the right thing, although if his luck holds out then it might be just a tragic as this. the alternative is that he just bums around doing what he did in this movie and that doesn’t need to be repeated.

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PREQUEL

The Coen’s always find really strange pivotal points to write their movies around. Let’s face it stories only really work when something bad happens,  but for llewyn… Everything bad happens!!  While this is still very interesting it’s strange that so much has gone on that we discover by the way of off the cuff remarks, like Llewyn’s ex, the pregnancy of yet another ex and other fuck ups along the way. Maybe he was a different person then, or even further back when he was a sailor and decided to give it all up for the folk scene. There is so much backstory and character to this that it captures the imagination.

WHAT I LIKE

I’m slightly biased when it comes to the Coens as I adore a lot of their work, there are no prizes for working out that I’m not a fan of a lot of their comical work..  Still they have a lot of Je ne sai quoi and constantly astound me with movies that I adore without really understanding why. The appeal to my senses.  Llewyn Davis, has this odd dreamlike state to it, often enough you’re brought back to reality with a slap of venom from the moody bitch of an ex girlfriend Jean (Carey Mulligan) or a quip from the know it all oversized John Goodman.

I love the trip up of the repeating history and potential I also devil character or curse involved. It’s just so detailed and well acted. The scenarios are surreal and just remarkably recognisable.

WHY IS LLEWYN A JERK

From the onset of the film Llewyn is subject to a run of bad luck, he gets his ass whooped at the beginning (end) and you start to feel sorry for him, until his past catches up and then you realise what a jerk he is. Half of me does wonder if it’s a continuation of his terrible mojo but  there are certain things he could have handled better.

Get gets a chick pregnant and pays for the abortion then has nothing to do with her afterwards

He gets another chick pregnant and offers to pay for “another” abortion (he needs another form of family planning). He signs away the rights to a song that’s about to hit it big, and constantly insults innocent people around him.

At some points it’s really hard to watch Llewyn struggle against all odds, but as the obstacles start to mount against him he’s inner rage begins to grow slowly turning him into a jerk which in turn causes more stumbling blocks.

Overall I adore the film throughout, it’s a thrilling and beautiful drama with a hint of black comedy enough for a stickler like me to enjoy without any struggle.

 

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THE HERO

Llewyn is kinda my hero, yes he’s flawed but he’s got a lot of heart. He did use the very last of his money to pay for an abortion to appease a girl who obviously hated him, he went to the ends of the earth to be recognised as a folk icon. He gets drunk and insults people, I don’t have to be drunk to insult people but I’d like to have a drink with Llewyn.

VERDICT

Overall the movie is golden from beginning to end, I honestly couldn’t stop watching and adore it as much as I adore a lot of the other Coen movies, (I’m feeling a list coming on here.. ). The film submerges you into a piece of history in a strange and surreal way. It’s filled with beautiful moments, and black comedy, just enough music to capture the folk scene but not enough to make it into a musical or a “show”.

LINK – Original review

POST DISCUSSION – Kill List (2011)

Please note this post discussion is a post discussion, therefore it’s full of spoilers it discloses information about the ENTIRE film (yes including the ending) and these following movies, the Mist (2007) and a Serbian Film (2010), ABC’s of Death (2012), A Field in England (2013), Dragon (2011),  History of Violence (2005), Angel Heart (1987),Skeleton Key (2005)  and Devil Rides Out (1968),Borderlands (2013),Dead Man’s Shoes (2004), Oldboy (2003).

So if you’ve not seen them it’s probably better not to read on..

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A CURIOUS FILM
Kill list is one of the more talked about modern British films, in fact I think Ben Wheatley has sparked off a lot of new interest in his films by making them rather curious,  most of it is missed in one single sitting and do advise that you watch it again for full appreciation. It’s one of those films that when you get to the end (and if you enjoyed the film) then you’ll want to go through it again looking for clues and hints that show the path in which Jay was being led. Although nothing is written in stone it’s all up for interpretation. And here are a few of my ideas and way out theories.

OPENING
During some of the early opening scenes where the characters are being introduced there is a seen which is reminiscent of the end of the movie, Jay acquires some play swords while out on a disastrous shopping trip. He then play fights with his family, at one point Shel has Sam on her back and Jay is stabbing them, this is a reenactment of the Hunchback scene at the end.

 

OCCULT THEMES THROUGHOUT?
I find that a lot of Ben’s movies have Occult themes chucked in when you least expect it. Once you settle into the flow of drama suddenly everything goes ape-schit and you find yourself stuck in a cult slaying.  Evidence of the occult strings that Ben seems attached to is obvious even in his short segment in the ABC’s of death (2012), and the epic A Field in England (2013) where the young director went full steam down the strange magical path, I often wonder if he’s related to Dennis Wheatley?

As much as the film is in two discernible parts the second half has a lot more obvious occult imagery. But you can’t miss the few key scenes in the first half, Fiona scratching the “symbol” on the mirror and taking the piece of tissue with Jay’s blood on it. Why did she do this? The initial thought is correct, it’s something that occultist do to bewitch or control a person, you need something from them to alter their reality,  how did she know it was Jays, if she hadn’t found it, how else would she have obtained a piece of him?! They made sure they had his blood in the meeting with the Client.

With the symbol carving it looks as if she has marked him for something, in fact she’s marked the entire household,  if Jay alone; was her intended target she would have given him something specifically.  Her work is done now; she does whatever she needs to Gal and leaves him. Then returns later to either hook up Shel and to keep an eye on Jay. This has two possible meanings, I assumed at first that she was merely keeping an eye on the situation, and helping to influence the rest of the family. But if you’re of the school of thought that would suggest Shel was in on this, then maybe the two witches were meeting up for a little drink!? (I know occultists aren’t witches!! It just sounds good).

It’s not so strange that they only took blood from Jay (again) at the meeting with The Client. But never Gals blood!? I’ve been into the occult for some time but I’ve never heard of anyone being targeted like this, of course there are things that i don’t know.

Unlike a lot of other occult movies, Kill List doesn’t make any attempt to explain or educate the viewer on the aspects of the occult that it deals with, films like Skeleton Key (2005)  and Devil Rides Out (1968) go through hoops to ensure the viewer is up to date with the occult ceremonies and theory use to devise the story. Kill List absolutely avoids all of this, possibly because it’s a fabricated occult theory ?

One minor point that I eventually picked up on, Jay does say abracadabra a lot! He also pulls the tablecloth off the table like a (talentless) magician. okay WILD THEORY alert! Is this something similar to Angel Heart (1987) where Jay was a magician who got caught up in some occult trouble and tried to hide inside a soldier in the kiev!? okay maybe not.

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MEANING OF THE MURDERS
The targets given to Gal and Jay seem quite precise, and are identified by their profession. There are no names mentioned just literally their role. What is it that is so special about their occupation? Each of them is expecting Jay and to be killed by Jay and thank Jay for the privilege. It got me thinking about a connection between the characters. A niggling part of my brain was trying to link this to a folklore story like John Barleycorn and maybe this is a new rendition of it. it seems to have a lot of purpose and drive.. Alas I couldn’t find any olde English lore’s that had a similar theme but (and you’ll have to bear with me on this) I’ve linked the film to the Journey of the Fool, which is the story of the tarot cards..  It’s a long shot but here goes.

TAROT CONNECTION.
The tarot is often read as story, going from 0-22 and using the major Arcana. It’s commonly known as the journey of the fool and as much as it’s one of those vague stories that you could relate to a lot of films, it links in with Kill List.. just enough.. if you squint and use your imagination.

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THE FOOL At birth, the Fool is set in the middle of his own individual universe. He is strangely empty (as is zero), but imbued with a desire to go forth and learn. This undertaking would seem to be folly, but is it? Jay
Instantly the fool meets the magician and high priestess
THE MAGICIAN The Magician is the positive side. He represents the active, masculine power of creative impulse. He is also our conscious awareness. Gal
HIGH PRIESTESS The High Priestess is the negative side. She is the mysterious unconscious. Fiona
THE EMPRESS The Empress (3) represents the world of nature and sensation Shel
THE EMPEROR He is the representative of structure and authority.  through the patient direction of the Father, the Fool begins to understand their purpose. The Client
THE HIEROPHANT He is exposed to the beliefs and traditions of his culture and begins his formal education. The Hierophant (5) represents the organized belief systems The Priest
THE LOVERS He experiences the powerful urge for sexual union with another person. The Fool also needs to decide upon his own beliefs. It is well enough to conform while he learns and grows, but at some point, he must determine his own values if he is to be true to himself. He must start to question received opinion Gal and FionaJay and Shel
THE CHARIOT Through discipline and will-power, he has developed an inner control which allows him to triumph over his environment. Jay starts getting hyped up and gets into the killing
STRENGTH He is pressed to develop his courage and resolve and find the heart to keep going despite setbacks. And kicks off..
HERMIT the Fool is led to ask himself the age-old question “Why?” He becomes absorbed with the search for answers, he looks inwards Librarian
WHEEL OF FORTUNE Fool may recognize his destiny in the sequence of events that led him to this turning point. reconstruction
JUSTICE The demands of Justice (11) must be served so that he can wipe the slate clean. Killing of jays cat
HANGED MAN He believes he has sacrificed everything, his world has been turned upside-down Hanged woman and the
DEATH The Fool now begins to eliminate old habits and tired approaches Gals death
TEMPERANCE This character is a hermaphrodite  and there is a emotional pendulum involved hunchback
DEVIL Jay as the antichrist!

Yeah it’s a lose theory..

INDIVIDUAL MURDERS
Each killing was pretty unique, although there was a running theme of the victims thanking Jay before the final blow is made. Was Jay really doing them a favour? My first thoughts revolve around a possible Suicide Club. Then as the creepy occult side takes centre show I wonder if Jay is a tool in order to help these people into some kind of satanic paradise. He is a big catalyst in this movie but it’s hard to work out if the influence is internal or not.

PRIEST – there was a lot of talk about religion in the beginning, Fiona stated that she couldn’t understand the power struggles in Northern Ireland as they “are all Christian” and Gal took it to heart, he also had bad vibes about killing the priest and used that excuse to let jay do it. Jay makes reference to killing a priest at least once. Then they have to kill a priest. Gal takes a stance back feeling uncomfortable about this but Jay relishes in the shooting. The only thing that makes him hesitate is when the priest says thank you but Jay really has no problems with this.

LIBRARIAN – this one was the most enjoyable for Jay, he really relished in torturing and killing the paedophile, this comes after a discussion between Gal and Jay about what to do if the guy had a dog, he then find out where the other paedophiles were hiding out and brutally kills them AND their dog… it’s as if Jay’s predictions of the future are pretty accurate now! I’ll also add in that this scene is amazing! ( not that i relish in just the violence) the cutting of the scene is perfect, the coldness of Jay, the starkness of the screaming the sudden cut scenes in and out of screams, adds to the impact. The Librarian insists that he is just a librarian, he tells Jay that he’s privileged to have met him and understands what he needs to do. He does this after Gal leaves the room as he only wanted Jay to know. It’s like Jay should be in on this, but obviously he isn’t. One thing that I didn’t quite buy in on, didn’t the librarian have any neighbours, didn’t ANYONE hear him screaming?? Also the insistent use of a hammer on this is slightly reminiscent of Oldboy (2003)

MP – this one was a little vague on the first viewing I just assumed that Jay and Gal were sent to kill the MP in order to get them in the right place at the right time so to speak. I thought at first that this was an additional job but the boys were simply paid more to do the work. I assume the gentleman in the waistcoat near the hanging woman (the bride)  is the MP as he opened his arms and thanks Jay for killing him. No idea why everyone else got so blood lusty and try to kill Gal and Jay, I assumed they would be happy to welcome their new satanic buddy, if that’s indeed what he is.

HUNCHBACK – after the “reconstruction” an additional killing is magically added to the list, this is the Hunchback,  or was that the MP?!  if it was the MP then who was the third victim before reconstruction?! The hunchback turns out to be jays family, his last connection with the past. This scene reflects the beginning of the movie, although i don’t think that Shel is laughing to show that she’s in on the whole ploy to get Jay to this ritual killing, instead I think she’s laughing out of the absurdity of the whole thing.

GAL
Despite this being a supposed team effort, Gal doesn’t hurt of kill anyone. In fact he turns out to be a pretty decent guy. He puts the youngen to bed when mummy and daddy are fighting, he apologises to the Christians playing and praying to the lord during the meal (notice Robin Hill’s little cameo here and his fathers at the end). Throughout the film it’s hard to know which side Gal is on. While he’s working with Jay he doesn’t actually do much in the way. It’s quite interesting that Robin makes an appearance, he has now been in several of Wheatley’s movies but was also co star of Borderlands (2013), a similar mysterious pagan rooted style film but with a much more enhanced found footage style, whereas Kill List has a documentary style to it’s filming.

THE CREEPY AWARD GOES TO – FIONA!!
Fiona was seriously a creepy girl, not that many of the characters put anyone at ease. Fiona is seriously creepy. She turns up at the dinner party acting all creepy carving on the backs of peoples furniture and shit, she then starts phoning and leaving messages for Gal and Jay, then later on the in movie she is waving at Jay from the shrubbery like a ghost. Despite Struan’s strange cryptic character, Fiona outdoes him on the creepy scale. I couldn’t quite work out why Gal had to shave but I assume it’s because Fiona creeped him out too and did she REALLY stick a Dear John to his cock? Fiona.. stop! She also brings Sam a present and leaves messages via Shel. A little weird piece is that when Shel and Jay are talking and she mentions that Sam is having nightmares about the cat, she also mentions that Fiona has brought a present for the boy. Is this a suggestion that she also left the dead rabbit?

THE SYMBOL

kill list symbolI’ve studied the occult, magic and such pagan religions for a number of years but I’ve never seen the symbol in this movie. I suppose it’s been devised by Ben to look like it means something, as opposed to using an existing symbol. A lot of sigil and symbolic magic is adapted to fit the purposes of the user and is therefore is always different.

Overall the symbol looks like the top of the Blair Witch symbol, take off the legs and flip it upside down. But I can’t find any other references to the symbol. It would suggest ascension of some sort. It’s interesting that Ben seems to have devised a system and history here; it’s much safer to do so than to start stepping on toes.

THE CLIENT AND RECONSTRUCTION.
Let’s look at the dictionary definition.

Build or form (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed.”

It’s never obvious what or who is being reconstructed. The assumption is that it’s the situation, Jay and Gal were trying to turn the scales and the Client has to get them back on track.

What a strange situation. And who just sits there and tries to “Re-construct” a situation, a peculiar choice of wording. Struan Rodger was going to be my top contender for the Creepy awards but Fiona out did him just a little bit. He really is a creepy SOB.

CUTTING OF THE HAND
The cut on the hand in the hotel seemed a fairly odd thing to do. It seemed it was an action for Jay to “sign” the contract, although it’s only the Client whose blood touches the paper, I suppose a mixture of the two as he has just cut Jays hand with the same knife. As mentioned before Gal was excluded and didn’t kill anyone either. Is this contract really being signed in blood?! Gotta be with the devil right? But then the forever bleeding had is almost a reference to the stigmata.

The cut festers and gradually irritates Jay more throughout until he decides to visit his doctor. But his doctor isn’t there and the replacement gives him some strange advice. Now this group have somehow got enough control to remove or incapacitate Jay’s doctor to put one of their own in his place. Also at this stage of the movie Jays entire body starts to look infected, like the hand wound is spreading to the rest of him. Is this a symbol that he’s mutating.

THE DOCTORS ADVICE
The “doctor” gives Jay some strange advice, it’s actually a Buddhist quote, I suppose it’s relevant in some way but I can’t quite feature it myself. It does give an indication that Jay is at a turning point, this past indeed as gone and the future is to come, but he needs to concentrate on the now.

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THE BRIDE AND HER FATHER
Now this was unexpected… Talk about coming straight out of left field. Which is just how Ben Wheatley likes to deliver his movies. By this stage in the movie I have to admit that anything goes, I shouldn’t really have been shocked. But the significance of her death seemed a little perplexing. The only link I can think of here is the Money Dance, an oldish European tradition where a bride wears a custom made piney which money is pinned to it and she dances for them. They say the hangman’s noose makes people dance. So is this girl a representation of the marriage of death, or just another willing victim for Jay. Strangely she does fit in with the tarot theory. After actually paying attention to the credits there is reference to a Bride, DOH! I didn’t have to use my grey matter on this one after all. then it all suddenly dawned on me. When the boys go back to the Client and he explains that they are just cogs there is a another man in the room, this is the Brides Father!? I think. he lays out some more money, i suppose his daughters dowry then hey sacrificially hang her in a frame quite similar to the “symbol” now I don’t know how this all fits in with Jay but these individual pieces fit together better now.

CROWN OF THORNS
The girl with the thorn crown blinding her was another strange addition to the end of the film. She is silent and only seen a few times at the end. there is no mention of her apart from her casting title of THORN BLINDFOLD WOMAN. okay wait for this one. in parts of Greece they “crown” the bride with a wreath of the thorny acanthus plant which is also fragrant and the custom symbolizes the need for the groom to be patient with his bride. Is this ANOTHER BRIDE!? is everyone getting married here. Jay get crowned after the final killing and everyone applauds. What is Jay the king of now?

MOON
I didn’t catch this until a 20th viewing but everything leads up to the full moon. it’s only a few days into the cycle but the last killing of the Hunchback, is a full moon.

FIRE
Another small note, is the recurring references to fires. Jay mentions how he use to love looking at fires as a child, the killers cremate all the bodies they dispose of. I’m not sure it’s the most effective way to get rid of a body as it might leave some dental records BUT does it make all of those people burnt offerings??

DEAD PRESENTS – RABBIT/CAT
Typical animals sacrifices are dogs, cats, frogs and rabbits.  The most desired animal of sacrifice is the goat.  Salt may also be present at the scene.  Another regular sign of satanic cult activity is the presence of and desecration of Christian symbols such as statues, crosses, chalices, and so forth.

When Jay finds the rabbit killed on the lawn, he assumes its a present from the cat, and decides to cook it and eat it, not the normal behavior but he recognizes that it’s something left for him as a tribute  and just assumes it from the cat, although it could be argued that its from the cult.

JAY IS THE ANTICHRIST?
It’s pretty easy to assume that Jay is being led down a certain path into becoming a weapon or that he has been specifically chosen to perform a task that different from the list of killings that he’s been hired for. Ben Wheatley and Any Jump are extremely clever in giving us enough hints of a secret behind the scenes mission and I think that’s a lot of the charm of Kill List.

WHAT HAPPENED IN KIEV?
For all we know Jay might have been leading up to this stage in his life for a long time. This group could have been grooming him for a longer time that we know. Just because the film starts at the stage doesn’t mean this is all of it. I don’t think it’s a total accident that Jay is simply an expert killer with such tendencies. Obviously his behavior has been augmented somewhat during the course of the movie but who knows what upbringing or training he’s had before hand, say in his teens etc.

THE END AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
Jay has no one by the end of the film, Gal is dead and Jay has just slaughtered his family. Much is the similarity to the Mist (2007) and a Serbian Film (2010) the main protagonist end up maiming of killing his family. So Jay is left with a shocked look on his face in a field with a bunch of occultist. Only a few things can happen here, Jay can carry on with his kill spree and kill the occultists, he might do himself in, of if he really is the Antichrist then he’ll start to lead his flock. It’s a peculiar open ending.

POTENTIAL PREQUEL
Now there could be a few interesting angles here, we could finally find out what the hell went down in Kiev!! Maybe we could explore other ways in which Jay has been groomed by this cult, if in fact that’s what has happened.

SEQUEL?
Oooh to be honest I wouldn’t imagine that there will be a prequel or sequel, I think we all of Ben’s movies they stand alone and hold their own. I’ve not looked for fan fiction, comics etc. I think any comics of kill list would be quite interesting and hopefully in a dark and stark style of Dead Man’s Shoes (2004). If there was to be a sequel I don’t know if it would be nearly as mysterious as this. If Hollywood ever got hold of it, Jay would be in an asylum and they would lash on the heavy flashing photography style of filming through cut scenes of this great movie. But considering the vagueness of the film and how hard it can be to pin items down. I would imagine any future movies would try to impose too many answers and ruin the whole effect.

If there ever was a sequel then I wouldn’t know where it would start. I’d imagine it would be a prequel and hopefully it will answer more questions about Kiev. Is Jay a proper satanic sleeper agent in a similar vein as Dragon (2011) or History of Violence (2005). Maybe playing out this cycle in another kill list!?

CONCLUSION
I think the film is steeped in just enough hints of cult activity and is flavoured with strangeness but none of it directly links with documented folklore or real mysticism. Unless Ben and Amy are uncovering old practices that are yet to be documented. .. But its enough to get the mind working along those lines when looking for answers and trying to understand the story.

This is what is amazing about Kill List, you are the pivotal point in which the movie revolves around with your personal understanding and just how far you’re willing to go mentally. Ben has always stressed that he likes to give people something to think about, and as much as it really sparks something in volatile minds like my own and kills off interest from people who want to be told a story, what he seems to also mix into his work is the unique ability to create

One of the reasons why Kill List is so brilliant is that a lot of it is mysterious after the end. Ben Wheatley you have indeed served up the story you promised and it is very thought provoking.

For anyone who reads my blog I promise that the post discussion section won’t be this scatter brained in future I’ve possibly picked a rare movie to kick start this off all again!

Kill list

Post Discussions a new section coming soon…

As much as I am a novice in writing movie reviews I am extremely good at shooting the breeze about them. With my overactive imagination and unwillingness to sleep I can often start to over think and as I watch so many darn movies I find my vices end up going hand in hand and I start to over think movies.

Initially I set up this movie blog with 3 main reasons in mind, one was to write movie lists, they are taking longer than I thought but I have a lot on the back burner, so watch out for those. The second reason was to learn how to write a movie review.. it’s going to be a long road for that one to come about.. but I think I’m getting better with practice, and the third reason was to waffle on about movies, not to sell them or advertise them in a review but to really waffle on about them in my own bizarre way. So I’m finally getting around to Spoilerville where I can talk about endings, the entire plot, and well basically anything I want to.

I will try my best to keep the disclaimers on the Post Discussion pages today I will enable the header and away I go in the neitherworld.